Sky Creek Homes .Net

An Unuthorized Web Site of Sky Creek Homes

 

The intent of this web site is not to detract potential Sky Creek Homes customers from having Sky Creek Homes build their house, but to show the type of effort that one can expect. Our experiences are not any different than other Sky Creek Homes customers. There is nothing on this site that has not been brought up to, or discussed with, Sky Creek Homes.

As one reviewer commented: "I would not recommend Sky Creek Homes. Project management was lacking, attention to detail was overlooked, quality of work, particularly in some aspects, was marginal. Some subs were good, others were questionable. Could go on and on......"

Following is a little more of the "on and on....."

Selecting a home builder is one of the most difficult things a person can do, particularly if they are 250 miles away. We initially asked around, and one of our friends recommended Sky Creek Homes, builders in Pueblo, but primarily in Pueblo West. We met with Mark Kleven, one of the owners of Sky Creek Homes. He was knowledgeable and answered all of our questions. We also met Chuck Wood, the staff civil engineer who we would be working with to design the house. After this meeting, we decided to have Sky Creek Homes build our new house. Little did we realize the level of ineptitude that we were getting ourselves into. Over the next several months we were treated to a comedy of errors.

Before delving into the various issues we had with Sky Creek, we would like to note a few of the Sky Creek folks that we dealt with that were outstanding. First, Chuck Wood, who we worked with on the design. Then two of their superintendents, Stan Gray and Dave Anderson. All three were top-notch.

Also, a big shout-out to Dan Corsentino, of Bighorn Steel Buildings / Corsentino Construction Inc., who constructed our out building, and Rick Gonzales, of Gonzalez Electric, who did the major wiring of the building.

As for the subcontractors, some were very good and some were marginal at best. Kelly Harvey, the individual who did the trim, did a great job; he was very detail oriented. Lance Filmore, the electrician, did a great job interpreting our electrical needs; we had him back to hook up our solar. Both Sol Granite and Brooks Brothers Cabinets (Colorado Springs) did oustanding jobs. We would recommend any of these folks. Special thanks to Joe Fortino, who had his crew repaint the entire interior in a weekend (more on that later).

In order to expedite the design process, we purchased the same home design software that Sky Creek used. Unfortunately, Sky Creek had an older version that was not compatible with the version that we purchased, and was unwilling to upgrade, so all changes that we made had to be made in the version that Sky Creek used. This caused a few bumps in the design process.

Following design, construction began. While the first part of the project went well, once dried in, it was one delay after another. In order to not impact the schedule any more than necessary, we had to compromise on items that we normally would not accept.

The following list of issues is not all-inclusive.

Windows

 

The windows installed in the house were recommended by Sky Creek; Style Line, by Milgard.

Once we started making window package selections in Co-Construct (CC), the project management software that Sky Creek uses,, we chose to go with the tan frames. CC did not offer a choice of tan windows with no grid everywhere. Rather, the closest option offered was tan windows with grid on the front windows only. So this was our selection, and in the comments, we noted that we did not want the grid on any windows.

After the windows were installed, we came to Pueblo to check on the status of the construction, and noticed that the two front windows had a grid. We questioned this, and were told that that was what we had selected. We mentioned that we did not have any other choice, and alluded to the comment that we had included in (CC) stating that we did not want the grid on any windows. We were told that comments are not always read. These two windows were re-ordered, and fortunately did not cause a delay as the frames could be installed and the window panes swapped out at a later date.

Next item was that the window in the garage had been spec'd and ordered as non-opening. Apparently, this is normal Sky Creek practice; we were not aware of this. We requested that this non-opening window be replaced with an opening window. A new window was ordered, and paid for by us. What was initially supposed to be a two or three week delay turned into more of a four or five week delay.

Fortunately, the garage window did not become a delay, as shortly after the initial installation of the windows, Sky Creek identified that the casement windows were warping, and began discussions with Milgard to correct/replace the casement windows. Finally, after over two months of discussion, and a discussion that I had with the installers, Sky Creek decided to order replacement windows, and Milgard finally agreed that it was a manufacturer/design issue. These replacement windows took approximately six weeks to deliver. Sky Creek replaced all of the casement windows with the better Tuscan versions, but did not replace any of the Style Line transom windows.

Once again, the two windows on the front of the house were delivered with an internal grid, and the window in the garage was not replaced because it had originally been spec'd as non-opening. For whatever the reason, Milgard went back to the original order, rather than the new order. Deja-vu all over again!!! Guess we should all be grateful that they didn't re-send send the Style Line windows. This is a prime example of Sky Creek not following up on the details - one of many.

In order to install the new windows, the sheetrock around the windows had to be cut back about three inches in order to accommodate foam sealant, which required replacing narrow pieces of sheetrock, patching, and re-texturing. A band-aid fix, which affected the finished window walls; several of them are not square.

Rather than wait another six to eight weeks to get the correct replacement window for the garage, we decided to forgo replacing it, which would allow completion of the exterior finish, down spouts, lighting, etc.

We would like to mention that the house sat in Tyvek wrap for about four months. The exterior of the house could probably have been finished by mid-September, with perfect weather to apply stucco. Instead, the stucco was not applied until the first week in January.

Approximately three and a half months were wasted due to this window issue that easily could have been avoided.

We would not recommend Milgard windows to anyone. They stick when being opened, no matter how they are adjusted (we ended up trimming the frames to make them work correctly), and we have had a casement and transom panes crack for no apparent reason, and one transom shattered. One of the casement window sashs warped so badly that it does not touch the weatherstripping on the outside of the frame, leaving a gap of bout 1/4" open to the elements (see Update below).

The Milgard Style Line windows - the ones RECOMMENDED by Sky Creek - have virtually no warranty, unless an extended warranty is purchased, which we were not made aware of.

Do not let Sky Creek talk you into using Milgard windows. Our previous house had early vinyl casement windows installed and in the twenty-six years that we lived there, we did not have even one problem.

Update: After waiting six months for Milgard to fix the casement window that had warped so badly it would not contact the weatherstripping, two techs finally showed up (their instructions were to adjust a door??). While here, they looked at several of the other windows that we have problems with, and determined that they had been installed incorrectly. What a surprise!!! Just another example of quality Sky Creek construction.

   
Sheetrock Texture
 

We approved a change order for $3,679 to do a hand textured finish rather than a spray on knock-down finish on the sheetrock. We were given three examples of different levels of finish, one being lightly textured, two being moderately textured, and three being heavily textured. We chose a level of texture between two and three. Once the texture was applied, we inspected it and said that it was not acceptable because there was hardly any depth to the texture and what texture was there had been sanded down.

We were informed that the walls could be re-done, but would cost $9,000 and take an additional six weeks to complete. Another delay; another compromise. While not happy, we agreed to go forward. We hoped that painting would improve the texture visibility. Unfortunately, the paint not only did not improve the texture visibility, but also exacerbated the waviness in the texture that resulted from sanding it down.

   
Paint
 

The cabinets were to be installed before the painters could paint, so we painted the walls behind the cabinets so that they could be installed without having to mask them off for painting. Likewise, the carpets were to be installed before the base trim was painted, so after we were informed of the carpet install the following day, we painted the trim that night.

When the painters showed up and were prepping and caulking, we asked Sky Creek if the cabinets could be covered so that they did not get spattered with paint. This did not happen until after the painters had spray painted the doors and whatever trim had been installed. There was a layer of paint dust on the cabinets and in the drawers. There was also paint spattered in a few places on the cabinets and paint splashed on one of the end cabinets. There were no efforts made to clean the cabinets by either the painters or Sky Creek. When Sol Granite showed up to install the countertops, we cleaned the tops and drawers before the install.

We had requested, and paid for, the paint to be rolled on the ceiling and walls rather than being sprayed on. We believe that a rolled finish is less porous, easier to clean, and easier to touch up. The painters were observed slopping on as much paint as they could, as fast as they could. There were many particles in the wall paint from the paint rollers picking up floor dirt, and many inconsistencies in the painted surface. The ceiling also had many inconsistencies.

After the doors and trim had been sprayed, I noticed that the color was not correct. We had provided paint brand, style, and color information to Sky Creek. Apparently Home Depot did not have the particular paint that we had spec'd for the ceiling/doors/trim, and the painting contractor substituted a different brand/different color.

Sky Creek agreed that the paint was not as good as expected, but did nothing. The painters were brought back to finish the interior painting and touch up the walls, which made it look even worse. We were at the point where we had scheduled a painter to give us a quote for repainting, or were considering doing it ourselves. After two months of inaction, Sky Creek finally made the decision to hire a different contractor to repaint most of the interior (thanks again to Joe Fortino and his crew, who did a great job!). This was completed two-and-one-half months after the initial painting.

Much of the exterior paint was done in marginal (cold) conditions; some showing signs of freezing.

   
Window Sills
  When we chose to do Corian window sills, we selected the color, thickness, and edge finish. When the sills were delivered, they were the incorrect color, incorrect thickness, and had an incorrect edge finish. They were re-ordered, and when delivered, were the correct color but were the wrong thickness. Again, they were re-ordered and were still incorrect; Sky Creek didn't even show them to us. The fourth time they were finally correct, however the two window sills for the laundry room were missing. Finally, the last two window sills were delivered, almost two months late.
   
Cabinets
 

We purchased all of the cabinets in the house from Brooks Brothers Cabinets in Colorado Springs. The cabinet maker that we had initially selected cancelled out at the very last minute, leaving us scrambling to find a new one. We contacted four cabinet makers in Colorado Springs and provided them with room drawings prior to visiting them. Brooks Brothers was the only one that had given our plans any thought and had prepared a couple of suggested layouts when we met with them. The individual that we met with, Kathy Morin, traveled to Pueblo the next day, Saturday, to take measurements. They were able to shuffle their custom cabinet schedule to meet our needs. Brooks Brothers was great to work with and provided a product that is second to none.

Unfortunately, in addition to the overspray and paint spatters, many of the cabinet doors were dented by the subcontractors working in the house. It certainly cost Sky Creek several thousand dollars to have doors replaced. We could not understand how they continued to get damaged.

   
Granite Countertops
 

Sky Creek mentioned that we needed to get with Sol Granite sometime prior to them coming to the house to measure for the templates. When we stopped by Sol Granite, they said that we did not need to meet with them until after the measurements, and also told us that a meeting had already been scheduled. We were not informed of this by Sky Creek, and when we asked about it, we were told that "Maybe that is a clerical error. We do not schedule appointments like that."

We had been notified what day Sol Granite would be at the house to measure. While we would have liked to have been there, they showed up very late in the day; we had no idea that they even came. We met at Sol Granite, and laid out the templates on the granite slabs, selecting what sections went where.

In every design that we had given Sky Creek, it showed an approximate 6" overhang on the west edge of the island. When Sol Granite installed the countertops, the designed overhang was not there. Talked to Sky Creek and was told that we could get with Sol Granite and have them re-cut that particular piece, adding the overhang. Sounded great. Met at Sol Granite. The two remaining slabs of this particular pattern were cracked, which limited where we could locate the island piece. Unfortunately, the only available area would require that a large discoloration could not be worked around, and would be dominant in the island. This was not acceptable, so we didn't have any choice but to accept what has been installed. Another compromise.

   
Sinks
  After the bathroom sinks were installed, we noticed that they were white, not bisque as specified. More details, another delay. When the granite installers went to install the kitchen sink, they found that it was actually split in half, which makes one question the quality of the specified sink. It took well over a month to get a replacement sink for the kitchen. No one had checked the sinks after they were delivered.
   
Crooked Wall
  After the tile wainscot was installed in the laundry room, it was noticed by Sky Creek that the east wall was very crooked. Part of the wall was removed, shimmed, sheetrocked, re-textured, and re-painted. Another delay. Now, there is a visible bulge about eight feet up the wall from the floor.
   
Flooring
 

We chose to install a high-quality vinyl plank flooring. When we selected the flooring, there was over 60,000 square feet in stock. When it was ordered by Sky Creek, there was none. We were told that we needed to select different flooring. Since it had taken us forever to find this particular version, this was not an option. This resulted in a five week delay.

Once the floor was installed, we requested on several occasions to have the floor covered while all of the contractors were in and out of the house. Finally, a very minimal covering was applied. We asked for a better cover, which was finally installed.

There are dents and marks on the floor. Sky Creek attempted to clean the marks, but several, including one obvious one in the dining room area still remain.

The flooring subcontractor installed the flooring incorrectly, voiding the warranty. He vertically hammered almost every joint during the installation, cracking the end joints. As a result of this hammering, numerous planks throughout the house have ends that are turned up (see photos - nice job Sky Creek!!). There are also numerous spots where the joint between two planks is "soft".

In addition, the installation instructions state that "the plank must not be shorter than 6 inches." There are at least two dozen end pieces being significantly less than six inches.

We had the supplier and a different installer look at the installation. They both said that the flooring was installed incorrectly, which voided the warranty.

After making a low-ball offer to replace the flooring, Sky Creek did give us some money, but not enough to even cover the replacement cost of the flooring, let alone the cost of labor to do the job correctly.

Damaged joint
Damaged joint
   
Hot Water Convection Loop
  We had requested that Sky Creek install a hot water convection loop that would continuously cycle hot water to the various faucets/showers in the house so that water would not be wasted while waiting for it to get hot. The hot water heater is in the basement, and all of the faucets are upstairs. When the plumber was working on it, he was installing an electric pump and timer to cycle the hot water through the loop. I explained to him that since the hot water heater was in the basement, a pump was not necessary, as the water would cycle through convection alone. He obviously did not agree, as the pump remained installed.

Once we were in the house, I removed the pump and the system works perfectly - as expected. Pump is free to a good home.

   
Energy Recovery Ventilator (ERV)
  At a cost of several thousand dollars, Sky Creek installed an ERV near the furnace. The purpose of this unit is to provide fresh outside air and remove stagnent inside air. The outside air is pre-heated through the use of a heat exchanger, then injected into the furnace ductwork. Meanwhile, the stagnent interior air is exhausted to the outside.

Sky Creek said that this unit was necessary because the house is built so air-tight that there would be no fresh air exchange and the windows would fog up.

We have operated our house both with and without the ERV, and found absolutely no difference. We also purchased CO2 monitors and again found that there was virtually no difference in the readings with/without the ERV operating. Windows have not fogged as we were told.

These units can be set to run continuously, or at adjustable intervals, and require occasional filter replacement. We don't really see the benefit of this unit.

   
Tile
  Moving to Pueblo, we anticipated great tile work. Instead, the tile work was ok; not good, not bad, just ok. Many of the tiles were set uneven, particulary the trim pieces. The individual was not even aware that the corners should not have been grouted, but caulked, to reduce cracks and leakage in the showers/tub areas. The corners are already starting to separate/crack where they were grouted, not caulked.

While Sky Creek was supposed to do back splashes in the kitchen and laundry room, we decided to do it ourselves. Just another sub-par Sky Creek effort.

   
Attic Fan
 

We requested that an attic fan be installed in the hallway to help cool the house in the summer. We did not like the fan that Sky Creek suggested, so we gave them the series of fan from Grainger that we had used previously. On one of the visits to see the house, we found the electrician and one of the superintendents trying to figure out how to set this fan in the attic. It was huge! While our hallways are four feet wide, there is no way in the world that this fan was going to fit. Turns out that Sky Creek just ordered a fan, not paying any attention to what size it should have been.

 

Microwave
 

During construction, subcontractors were using the installed microwave. In the process, they scratched the outside control panel, and created arcing marks on the interior of the unit. Since these items could not be repaired, Sky Creek purchased a new unit.

   
Soffit
  The soffit that was installed on the house warped, was replaced, warped again, was replaced again, and has warped again. The quality of some of the materials spec'ed by Sky Creek was lacking.
   
Cleaning
 

We had asked Sky Creek if anyone ever cleaned up the mess inside the house, and was told that someone would be by to clean. We thought that it would be cleaned up before the floor was installed, but the floor installer ended up just sweeping the debris away so that he could work. We spent many hours picking up debris and sweeping/vacuuming the mess, including scraping the errant caulk on the basement floor.

In addition, we cleaned up concrete chunks, hundreds of screws and nails, wire, and other miscellaneous construction debris around the house. There had been a dumpster on site that was available for all to use, but it seems that most of the subcontractors ignored its existence.

The garage floor was power washed once, but not before the house was complete. On a very cold February day, Sky Creek showed up to power wash the garage floor to clean up the remaining paint, etc. It turned out to be too cold to power wash, so the floor was cleaned by hand. I do not know whether the garage was finally power washed, or just rinsed off with water, but 2/3 of the floor was soaked, as was the lower portion of the garage doors including the garage door sensors. Following the cleaning, a heater was placed in the middle of the garage floor. The next morning, there was condensation running out of the breaker panel, down the walls, down the large garage doors, down the small garage doors, down the plug/switch plates, etc. Paint was bubbled on the two exterior passage doors.

   
Frost Proof Faucet/Electrical Conduit Trenches
 

After installing the frost-proof faucet outside, a large hole was left open for approximately two months. We asked Sky Creek about filling the hole and were continually told "next week." A person or animal could have fallen into this hole.

Same with the electrical conduit trench. This trench was left open for several weeks. Once again we asked Sky Creek about filling the trench and was repeatedly told "next week." We ended up filling the trench.

   
Dirt
 

Sky Creek removed over 600 cubic yards of dirt from the basement. When asked what they did with the dirt because we needed some for landscaping, we were told that it was "a net import" job, meaning that they had to bring in dirt to slope the grade away from the house. The neighbors said that they saw several (>12) large dump truck loads of dirt being removed from the property. (600 cubic yards is enough dirt to cover a football field (100 yd x 53.3 yd) approximately four inches deep)

These folks really don't know what they are talking about, or were just flat-out lying to us. We believe the latter.

   
Punch List
 

There are items that were on the punch list for well over two months. Some were delayed by weather (exterior painting, including roof vents, sagging soffit), some delayed by lack of attention to details (door replacement, painted wrong color, missed spots in garage, cable marking, etc.), some just delayed (concrete chunks, window sills, tile, spots on floor, exterior painting, etc.). These and other remaining punch-list items were delayed indefinitely.

In the end, we told Sky Creek that we didn't want them doing any more work on the house and would finish the remaining items ourselves.

   
Schedule
 

Our house was "way across town" from where Sky Creek typically builds, but we do not accept that as an excuse for constant delays. There were periods when virtually nothing was being done; there were other periods when contractors were working on top of each other. Nice days were foregone as we can only assume that the contractors had better work in Pueblo West. The tile installer disappeared for a few weeks. When asked if he had been on vacation, he said that he had other pressing jobs.

Much of the exterior work was completed in marginal conditions. The brown coat on the stucco was supposed to be applied when the weather was forty degrees or greater. The day it was applied, the temperature never got above thirty-six degrees; certainly it was colder in the shade. The paint on the west door of the garage shows signs of freezing. Concrete was poured on some of the hottest days of the year.

In the end, final completion was delayed by window sills, which in turn delayed the tile, replacement of a door that had been waiting to be replaced for months, which was again painted an incorrect color (no surprise there), and cleaning the garage floor. None of which should have been on the critical path to begin with.

It was obvious that our house was not a priority for Sky Creek.

Poor or delayed decisions by Sky Creek resulted in unnecessary delays that affected work scheduling and added at least three months to the schedule. We were told that the house would be completed within sixty days after sheetrock. We closed on the house almost five months after sheetrock.

At the end of the day, we were the only ones impacted by these delays, not Sky Creek, nor its subcontractors.

We were told on several occasions to coordinate with the subcontractors. At the end of the process, Sky Creek told us that part of the problems they had were due to our meddling. From the time when Stan Gray passed the torch to the interior superintendent, and until the torch was passed again to Dave Anderson to finish the job, there was virtually no coordination between the superintendent, suppliers, the subcontractors, and Sky Creek.

We chose Sky Creek to build our house based on a recommendation from a friend. We realize that Sky Creek is busy with a large number of spec homes, and our house was not one of their normal cookie-cutter style homes, but that should not be an excuse for overlooking major details. We appreciate the efforts of Sky Creek on the windows, paint, crooked walls, and window sills, all of which caused significant, but unnecessary, delays. As one is certainly aware, the longer a process takes, the greater the opportunity for collateral damage to occur (cabinet dings, floor dings, paint scratches, etc.).

The quality of many of the products spec'ed by Sky Creek was lacking. From the windows to the soffit to the ceiling fans to the garage door openers, everything was low end. We purchased all of the plumbing fixtures, laundry room sink, many of the light fixtures, replacement attic fan, tile, etc., just to ensure quality. We have since replaced a Sky Creek supplied light fixture, and anticipate replacing some of the ceiling fans and garage door openers in the near future.

Sky Creek and their subcontractors are so accustomed to building their Pueblo West spec homes, that they have difficulty building anything out of the ordinary.

I have been involved in many multi-million dollar projects, and this is the second house we have had built. I can honestly say that this is by far the worst managed project that I have ever been involved with. As I told Sky Creek, I would not hire them to build an outhouse.

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